{"id":94727,"date":"2026-06-30T12:03:00","date_gmt":"2026-06-30T10:03:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.fragmenta.cat\/?post_type=article&p=94727"},"modified":"2026-07-10T14:48:28","modified_gmt":"2026-07-10T12:48:28","slug":"xarim-areste-el-consum-no-implica-nutricio-pots-devorar-sense-nodrir-te-tenir-exit-implica-deixar-te-consumir","status":"publish","type":"article","link":"https:\/\/www.fragmenta.cat\/es\/dialogal\/article\/xarim-areste-el-consum-no-implica-nutricio-pots-devorar-sense-nodrir-te-tenir-exit-implica-deixar-te-consumir\/","title":{"rendered":"Xarim Arest\u00e9: \u00abTenir \u00e8xit implica deixar-te consumir\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n

Xarim Arest\u00e9 (Flix, 1983) \u00e9s un dels m\u00fasics m\u00e9s respectats del panorama catal\u00e0. Mentre hi ha veus que fan el que calgui per tenir \u00e8xit (can\u00e7ons que siguin f\u00e0cils i s\u2019enganxin; entrevistes en qu\u00e8 mostren la intimitat i tota mena de traumes; v\u00eddeos est\u00fapids a Instagram per captar l\u2019atenci\u00f3), a ell, fer\u00e9stec, sempre m\u2019ha fet l\u2019efecte que tot aix\u00f2 l\u2019angunieja. \u00bfT\u00e9 un preu, per\u00f2, no participar en el circ? \u00bf\u00c9s possible que l\u2019important en un m\u00fasic ja no sigui la m\u00fasica? \u00bfI si resulta que el parad\u00eds no est\u00e0 all\u00e0 on tanta gent, afamada de popularitat i poder, apunta amb el dit?<\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n

A la m\u00fasica, el parad\u00eds s\u2019associa a l\u2019\u00e8xit, a ser fam\u00f3s. \u00bfQu\u00e8 en penses?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Per un costat, veig que l\u2019instint de la humanitat \u00e9s ser estimat i acceptat pel seu grup. Per\u00f2 l\u2019\u00e8xit \u00e9s una trampa: quan est\u00e0s en boca de tothom, \u00e9s quan m\u00e9s et poden utilitzar. Fins i tot en contra del teu benefici.

\u00bfDe quina manera?\u00a0<\/strong>

Si mires \u00faltimament el que t\u00e9 \u00e8xit, est\u00e0 bastant alineat amb certa pol\u00edtica. \u00c9s una forma de servir el sistema.

Hi ha molts programes, com Operaci\u00f3n Triunfo<\/em> o Euf\u00f2ria<\/em>, en qu\u00e8 s\u2019insinua que, per ser v\u00e0lid, has de tenir molta gent que t\u2019escolti.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00c9s una forma rid\u00edcula de llegir-ho, perqu\u00e8 potser tens m\u00e9s \u00e8xit si arribes a una persona de veritat que no pas si t’han consumit cent mil. El consum no implica nutrici\u00f3: pots devorar sense nodrir-te. Tenir \u00e8xit implica deixar-te consumir.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

No \u00e9s el mateix que consumeixin les teves can\u00e7ons que sentir que t\u2019estan consumint a tu com a persona.<\/strong>

Hi ha hagut moments en qu\u00e8, per por a ser excl\u00f2s, no m\u2019he alineat amb el que sentia, sin\u00f3 amb voler ser acceptat i aplaudit. \u00c9s una forma clara de consumir-me i deixar-me consumir a mi mateix.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u00a9 Noa Morales<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

\u00bfQuina \u00e9s l\u2019alarma interior? \u00bfQu\u00e8 et fa adonar que est\u00e0s perdent el teu centre?\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>

Quan apareix la finalitat. Si tu estimes alg\u00fa per inter\u00e8s, aquell amor deixa de ser leg\u00edtim. La finalitat no pot ser altra cosa que l\u2019amor. I en la m\u00fasica, igual.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Per\u00f2, en el m\u00f3n de la m\u00fasica, \u00bf\u00e9s f\u00e0cil acomplexar-se?\u00a0

<\/strong>Hem parlat de l\u2019\u00e8xit, que \u00e9s tan interessant com el concepte de frac\u00e0s. Segons com es miri, jo soc un fracassat, perqu\u00e8 no aplego cinc-centes persones en una sala, sin\u00f3 dues-centes. Per\u00f2, si m\u2019obsed\u00eds a reunir-ne cinc-centes, fracassaria. El meu objectiu \u00e9s continuar fent el que faig. Alimentar l\u2019ego em sembla un acte d\u2019irresponsabilitat. Perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s l\u2019\u00e8xit de l\u2019ego, no de l\u2019esperit, ni de l\u2019\u00e0nima.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00bfQu\u00e8 et ve al cap si et dic la paraula parad\u00eds<\/em>?
<\/strong>
Ho relaciono amb la falta de culpa. El parad\u00eds no \u00e9s un lloc: \u00e9s un estat d\u2019\u00e0nim. No pot tenir a veure amb l\u2019exterior. M\u2019imagino una persona a la pres\u00f3 sentint-se lliure perqu\u00e8 s\u2019ha perdonat. I un altre que \u00e9s en una platja fant\u00e0stica, per\u00f2 que est\u00e0 lluitant contra ell mateix. \u00bfQui est\u00e0 m\u00e9s al parad\u00eds? Aix\u00f2 m\u2019ho ha fet pensar l\u2019etimologia de la paraula.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00bfQuina \u00e9s?
<\/strong>
Ve del persa, i vol dir \u2018hort tancat\u2019. Et pots imaginar els jardins de l\u2019Ed\u00e8n com un lloc que D\u00e9u ha creat, per\u00f2 un hort implica la m\u00e0 humana: n\u2019has de tenir cura. Per tant, el parad\u00eds no se\u2019t presenta acabat, l\u2019has de cultivar. I, a m\u00e9s, no l\u2019acabar\u00e0s mai, perqu\u00e8 un hort sempre est\u00e0 en proc\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

En la m\u00fasica, \u00bfcom protegeixes aquest hort interior?<\/strong>

A\u00efllant-lo del judici. Considero que la creaci\u00f3 \u00e9s la part m\u00e9s natural de l\u2019\u00e9sser hum\u00e0. Ve donada.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u00ab<\/strong>Quan t\u2019asseus a fer una activitat creativa, el teu ego se sent amena\u00e7at perqu\u00e8 sap que es dissoldr\u00e0 i que, de sobte, apareixer\u00e0s tu en el teu estat m\u00e9s pur. L\u2019acte creatiu \u00e9s el contrari d\u2019un acte egoic, perqu\u00e8 implica una certa vulnerabilitat\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Per tant, \u00bfes tracta de respectar la teva naturalesa?\u00a0\u00a0
<\/strong>
S\u00ed. Jutjar-la \u00e9s ficar-hi una moralitat, fa que et desvi\u00efs. Has de respectar la naturalesa de cada can\u00e7\u00f3. \u00c9s com si en un hort et surten tom\u00e0quets i tu vols que siguin patates. L\u2019artista no \u00e9s alg\u00fa que controla l\u2019art, sin\u00f3 alg\u00fa que s\u2019ha de deixar controlar per l\u2019art. Un artista que est\u00e0 per sobre del seu art l\u2019est\u00e0 manipulant. Quan he sigut simplement un canalitzador, he trobat m\u00e9s pau que quan he volgut manipular la meva obra.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Veig molts m\u00fasics agafant banderes, tenint opini\u00f3 de tot, fent d\u2019influencers<\/em>. Un m\u00fasic, \u00bfja no es pot dedicar a fer can\u00e7ons i prou?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/strong>\u00a0
<\/strong>
Ara mateix sembla que sigui impossible. Gaireb\u00e9 podem catalogar els artistes, no tant per la seva m\u00fasica, sin\u00f3 per la seva opini\u00f3 o pels seus traumes. Per\u00f2 aix\u00f2 no t\u00e9 cap mena de voluntat de transcend\u00e8ncia ni d\u2019eternitat. Em costa imaginar que, d\u2019aqu\u00ed a cent anys, alg\u00fa escolti alguna d\u2019aquestes can\u00e7ons que nom\u00e9s han estan pensades per aconseguir un clic.\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u00bfQuin \u00e9s l\u2019objectiu de la m\u00fasica?
<\/strong>
Una de les tant\u00edssimes funcions de l\u2019art \u00e9s fer de mirall a la societat per ajudar-la a avan\u00e7ar. Escoltes Beethoven i sents que la humanitat \u00e9s capa\u00e7 de fer coses belles. I aix\u00f2 \u00e9s inspirador.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u00ab<\/strong>Gaireb\u00e9 podem catalogar els artistes, no tant per la seva m\u00fasica, sin\u00f3 per la seva opini\u00f3 o pels seus traumes. Per\u00f2 aix\u00f2 no t\u00e9 cap mena de voluntat de transcend\u00e8ncia ni d\u2019eternitat\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Quan fas can\u00e7ons, \u00bfsents que hi interv\u00e9 un altre llenguatge menys evident? \u00bfPotser la intu\u00efci\u00f3, el subconscient?\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0
<\/strong>
No pots dir: \u00abM\u2019enamoro d\u2019aquesta noia perqu\u00e8 em conv\u00e9.\u00bb No saps per qu\u00e8, per\u00f2, de sobte, ho sents. I es desperta una responsabilitat. Aqu\u00ed \u00e9s on comen\u00e7a el parad\u00eds, quan et responsabilitzes del que estimes, sigui una persona o una can\u00e7\u00f3. Ho cuides, fas que creixi de la millor manera, que doni els millors fruits. El parad\u00eds no et ve fet, el fas tu.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hi ha can\u00e7ons teves que les vaig a buscar perqu\u00e8 m\u2019entenen, m\u2019acompanyen. La relaci\u00f3 que tenim amb certes can\u00e7ons \u00e9s semblant a la que tenim amb amics.\u00a0
<\/strong>
I que amb una can\u00e7\u00f3 cre\u00efs una relaci\u00f3 tampoc \u00e9s una decisi\u00f3 teva: \u00e9s una cosa que passa. Per\u00f2 crec que, com m\u00e9s bona \u00e9s una obra, m\u00e9s lectures suporta. Tinc la sensaci\u00f3 que, en la nostra \u00e8poca, no estem fent meditaci\u00f3 amb la m\u00fasica, i, quan entres de deb\u00f2 dins d\u2019una can\u00e7\u00f3, hi ha un cert espai per a la meditaci\u00f3, hi ha alguna cosa que s\u2019est\u00e0 relacionant amb tu.\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Gemma Ventura en conversa amb Xarim Arest\u00e9 a la via sepulcral romana de la pla\u00e7a de Madrid de Barcelona | \u00a9 Noa Morales<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

\u00bf\u00c9s com la preg\u00e0ria?<\/strong>\u00a0
<\/strong>
S\u00ed. Es relaciona amb una part de tu de la qual potser no ets conscient. La m\u00fasica et diu: \u00abPer molt que no ho vulguis admetre, est\u00e0s trist per aix\u00f2.\u00bb La m\u00fasica pot moure tota la teva aigua interior.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Quan crees, \u00bftamb\u00e9 sents tot aix\u00f2?
<\/strong>
Quan m\u2019assec a fer una activitat creativa, tot m\u2019expulsa: ara tinc gana, ara tinc pip\u00ed. L\u2019ego se sent amena\u00e7at perqu\u00e8 sap que es dissoldr\u00e0 i que, de sobte, apareixer\u00e0s tu en el teu estat m\u00e9s pur. L\u2019acte creatiu \u00e9s el contrari d\u2019un acte egoic, perqu\u00e8 implica una certa vulnerabilitat. Un artista \u00e9s alg\u00fa que es despulla per mostrar la nuesa de l\u2019altre, no la seva.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u00ab<\/strong>El meu objectiu \u00e9s continuar fent el que faig. Alimentar l\u2019ego em sembla un acte d\u2019irresponsabilitat. Perqu\u00e8 \u00e9s l\u2019\u00e8xit de l\u2019ego, no de l\u2019esperit, ni de l\u2019\u00e0nima\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Quan \u00e9s nom\u00e9s la seva, \u00bf\u00e9s pornografia?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Exacte. \u00c9s molt f\u00e0cil caure-hi perqu\u00e8 l\u2019ego t\u2019apareix i et diu: \u00abH\u00f2stia, vaig nu, no vull que em vegin despullat.\u00bb Dissimular\u00e9 per protegir-me. Llavors, des de la intel\u00b7lig\u00e8ncia, pots pensar: \u00abA la gent li agradar\u00e0 aix\u00f2.\u00bb Si ets llest, t\u2019anir\u00e0 b\u00e9, perqu\u00e8 pots veure a qu\u00e8 s\u2019enganxar\u00e0 la gent. Per\u00f2 en la creaci\u00f3 no es tracta de tenir intel\u00b7lig\u00e8ncia, o no aquesta intel\u00b7lig\u00e8ncia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A la can\u00e7\u00f3 \u00abRiu avall\u00bb, fa gaireb\u00e9 deu anys, escrivies: \u00abBusca que busca el parad\u00eds i el t\u00e9 a la punta del nas.\u00bb Quan l\u2019escolto, penso en el que tinc a la vora i no valoro. A tu, \u00bfen qu\u00e8 et fa pensar, ara?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

En Catalunya, perqu\u00e8 veig molts catalans enyorant una Catalunya gran. I aix\u00f2 fa impossible que puguis trobar aquest parad\u00eds. La grandesa de la m\u00fasica \u00e9s que, quan sona una can\u00e7\u00f3, no est\u00e0 sonant ni ahir ni dem\u00e0, est\u00e0 sonant ara. I aquesta pres\u00e8ncia \u00e9s el m\u00e0xim que tenim. L\u2019art \u00e9s un gran canalitzador de pres\u00e8ncia. No enganya.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A l\u2019\u00faltim disc, Punt de creu<\/em>, cantes: \u00abTroba una riba, troba un lloc sant; troba una riba, troba un lloc lliure d\u2019engany.\u00bb<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Aquest lloc sant \u00e9s l\u2019ara i l’aqu\u00ed. Busquem el parad\u00eds en altres continents, en altres feines, en altres parelles, en qualsevol lloc excepte en l\u2019ara i l’aqu\u00ed. No en tenim mai prou, amb la vida. \u00c9s com si necessit\u00e9ssim m\u00e9s.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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